2005-06-29 [bluesoulsearcher]: Nothing it hasn't come to before, I'm sure.

2005-06-30 [Lioness123]: what are you getting at, [Mnfuniuybf]?

2005-06-30 [Prowler Wolf]: Oh no, people standing up for whats right...oh GOD whats going on here!! We're not like everyone else!!!

2005-06-30 [The Darkness of your soul]: ...whatever...

2005-06-30 [RabidSphinx]: never take to heart the words of the close-minded [Lioness123]...they like to make up for their small-minds with their big mouths...

2005-06-30 [The Darkness of your soul]: ...

2005-06-30 [RabidSphinx]: something wrong [The Darkness of your soul]?

2005-07-01 [The Darkness of your soul]: no

2005-07-01 [*_*]: hello

2005-07-02 [The Darkness of your soul]: hi

2005-07-07 [rocker_reject]: Now we know who has a very little mind...

2005-07-07 [RabidSphinx]: he deleted the wiki...i reported him for it...(^_^) go back a few page views and you will see the messages he left us...(^_^)

2005-07-07 [Prowler Wolf]: Ohhhh, sounds like a good time....ahh, what would life be without morons spicing it up every-so-often

2005-07-09 [Lioness123]: thats not allowed here. messages deleted.

2005-07-09 [RabidSphinx]: i also reported him and he was banned, i said he has also flamed the wiki, thus why i didn't have the messages deleted right away

2005-07-12 [balletdancer]: hi! Bush is an awesome president! =-)

2005-07-13 [Lick.]: "2. Be nice, true arguments will not be tolerated." Sounds like a buch supporters assosiation to me ^^

2005-07-15 [Lioness123]: no, INSULTS will not be tolerated. Civilized debate is welcome, of course

2005-07-15 [Lick.]: I mean, I obviously understand the meaning of civilized debate :). And welvome them. But im sorry, I have no faith ina wiki who can't properly state their rules :)

2005-07-15 [bluesoulsearcher]: you could clarify rule #2, however. It's current wording is vague and leaves it open to alternative interpretations, such as the one [Lick.] just provided.

2005-07-16 [Lick.]: I realize what it meant. But was just pointing out as I have. :).

2005-07-16 [Prowler Wolf]: YOu have no case, you're just here to be an asshole and try to prove that your more intelligent than everyone else, when infact, you're doing nothing more than being a nusance

2005-07-16 [Lick.]: I'm not trying to prove im intelligent :). And I'm not trying to be an asshole. I don't support Bush. You guys do. I am not the one attacking here. Debate is welcome, or so the wiki says. flaming is not conisdered debate :). If ya want me to leave, Then I will.

2005-07-17 [Prowler Wolf]: hows this, put up a logical argument....or else please leave

2005-07-18 [Lick.]: So, I am not alowed to come here and simply assoiciate with you guys? Just becuase we have different politcal veiws? Fine. I will leave if I must either debate, or leave. I don't see why I am not alowed to just have a basic civillized conversation.

2005-07-29 [Lioness123]: you are! lets figure this out....how would you guys like rule #2 re-worded if this is causing a problem..?

2005-07-29 [bluesoulsearcher]: I would say change "true arguements" to "insults, flames, etc." True arguements can mean arguements that have been proven to be true. For example, if I state the world is round because a ship at sea disappears as it sails towards the horizon, that would be a true argument.

2005-07-30 [Lioness123]: please read the "new and improved" rule # 2 above

2005-08-01 [bluesoulsearcher]: succinct and clear :)

2005-08-02 [Lick.]: [BITCH #1] messed it up... He should get an ip ban

2005-08-02 [rocker_reject]: sOME dumb fuck deleted i hate homosexuality and anti rap also!

2005-08-02 [bluesoulsearcher]: fixed

2005-08-02 [RabidSphinx]: [dumb_ass] deleted the wikis

2005-08-09 [Prowler Wolf]: wow...it's name speaks for it's self

2005-08-11 [Lioness123]: dumb people anyway....

2005-08-12 [Prowler Wolf]: man....i support the war in iraq...and all the personal who go there, regardless of if they're military or not. I'm tired of shit holes telling me it's pointless, i have family there, i know damn well they could die!! but i'm not mad at the war, i support it, i know what it means!!!

2005-08-12 [Lick.]: What does it mean? :)

2005-08-12 [Lioness123]: that we're fighting for a better future for Iraq and ourselves.

2005-08-12 [Lioness123]: prowler, i got a bro in the army reserves who may need to go over there...i know how u feel buddy

2005-08-13 [Prowler Wolf]: thanks.....it's whats right..and regardless of if people agree or not...it's happening

2005-09-29 [Zulu]: [Lioness123]In the eyes of an Iraqi child, how does he have a better future when the sole provider for his household (mainly his dad) has just been shot up by american and british soldiers? Iraq is on the brink of a civil war now saddam is gone and now his loyalists are out there to proove a point, and a better future for ourselfs is slim because terrorists are still able to get into major cities with high security.

2005-09-29 [Lioness123]: if someone tries to kill our soldiers who are fighting the terrorists to make Iraq a safer country, then they deserve to be shot. I don't care if that person is a father or not. Heck, if my dad tried to kill someone and they shot him in self defence, I'd still feel the same way. And yes, a civil war may be brewing, but thats why the soldiers are over there to help keep that from happening. Iraq has so much potential...its sad that individual groups of extremists are trying to destroy it.

2005-09-30 [Serena]: i agree with you Lioness and Zulu. I would not want what I thought to be the life I was supposed to be living ripped out from me. And I support the troops over there, I have a brother in law over there as well a few cousins. I dislike the war, I distaste Bush, but I did not like Kerry either. I just would like Bush's term to end, the war to be ended and for America to stay out of other countries' business.

2005-10-02 [bluesoulsearcher]: Once upon a time America did stay out of the business of other countries. Unfortunately, two world wars proved that the world lacked the political maturity to handle its affairs minus American involvement. The events occuring in the world outside of the "war on terror" are proof enough that this reality continues today.

2005-10-02 [Serena]: I do not like any wars, no matter what they are for. I find them pointless, and please do not go and throgh the Civil and Revolutionary(spelling) wars in my face. People say they were needed and I feel that maybe the issues called for it, but not invading another country just to stop their tyranny. We cannot have world peace or democracy like this.

2005-10-03 [Lioness123]: ever since people have existed there has been war, why would things change now? I don't think there will ever be "world" peace; some people just can't be happy with the land, resources they have, etc. Like that saying, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. As for the war on Iraq, we were dragged into this when those %&$hole terrosists caused the events of 9/11

2005-10-03 [Zulu]: thats 2 way basically because they can argue about us stealing their oil and starting it and we can blame them for the events on 9/11. Ypu're right about world peace being impossible to achive because someone can come into power run the country and then an extreamist who doesn't like the way the country is being run comes and trys (in occasions do) take the power from that person and use it for their benefits such as invading another countrys. We see the war in iraq as liberating them but they see it as an invasion.

2005-10-03 [Lioness123]: I wish they could do a survey on how many people over there believe that...I think we'd be suprised bu the outcome. I personally think that most of them are relieved we're there helping them reclaim their country, weither they say so or not.

2005-10-03 [Lioness123]: Check out my statement about "Why I support President Bush" at Ep Independent- Opinions page!

2005-11-01 [rocker_reject]: does anyone know if the iraqis passed the constitution for their country or not?

2005-11-01 [rocker_reject]: and i am totally hating on how people dont like bush. and if someone speaks up against them then they start to go all out on the person for liking him. all those small minded people bug me

2005-11-03 [bluesoulsearcher]: The Constitution was passed.

2005-11-04 [rocker_reject]: okay thanks :D

2005-11-05 [Lioness123]: my bro is getting ready to go to his desert training. He goes over to Iraq sometime between January or March.

2005-11-06 [rocker_reject]: i dont understand on why people still think we are at war. we are post war. and they are not getting that its over and all we are doing over there now is trying to help set up their government.

2005-11-07 [bluesoulsearcher]: Probably because we've lost more people since the "war" supposedly ended. Either way you look at it, we're still at war. Either the war never ended, a new one started with the insurgency, or we're fighting the War on Terror now that Al Qaeda move into Iraq.

2005-11-08 [Lioness123]: the way I see it, we're just picking off the pesky al queda as they show their ugly faces. Much like fleas, if you will..

2005-11-08 [rocker_reject]: i agree with lioness....that mostly how i see it too

2005-11-08 [bluesoulsearcher]: Indeed, that is one of the policy arguments, hindsight of course, about a continued US presence in Iraq.

2006-01-07 [Prowler Wolf]: man, i have SOOOO many liberal teachers this semester...it's SICK!!! in third period, because my teacher dosen't like bush...her and this ONE kid...yep..just ONE... bashed the president the WHOLE TIME, i was like STFU, but of course the rest of the class can't say anything b/c the teacher was libral therefor only librals are worthy of her time!!! GRRR and the hipocrit even VOTED for bush...ohhh, i' m soooo fed up with that class.

2006-01-08 [Blinded Seraphim]: Bush is a good man, that is why people dont like him...He may not be perfect but he deserves our respect!

2006-01-12 [zoloftzantac]: I do not support Bush, in fact, I even traveled to the nearest red state and volenteered my time there in 2004 working to defeat him. " the world lacked the political maturity to handle its affairs minus American involvement." This is an American attitude of arrogance that you share with Bush, it is also a large part of the reason so much of the world hates the U.S.A. I can not respect that closed minded arrogant attitude. *That* is why I don't like him.

2006-01-12 [Blinded Seraphim]: hey, you may have your own opinions on how shit worls here, im not saying otherwise, but i would hardly call the people of this country arrogant, in fact i have met a large number of people that quite the reverse is true and as to the involvment in iraq, that is none of my business to argue

2006-01-12 [zoloftzantac]: [Prowler Wolf]: most people have liberal teachers. It is simply because you need to be educated to be a teacher, and statisticaly, most educated people are liberal. (so it isn't just that most teachers are liberal, it is also most doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc., etc)

2006-01-12 [zoloftzantac]: [Blinded Seraphim]: You have broken rule #3, please try to follow the rules here. You said, "i would hardly call the people of this country arrogant". How do you define the word? I'm talking about the over-bearing self importance and the general feeling of superiority toward others that is contained in the statement that [bluesoulsearcher] made and that I hear and feel from Americans all of the time when they talk about foreign affairs.

2006-01-12 [Prowler Wolf]: yeah, i know...but my libral teacher always have to let their opinions known...like anyone cares...it's just obnoxious, my "republic" teachers don't sit around lecturing us how republican they are, and how great they think bush is...so why do i have to listin to the mindless dripple of opinions my other sidely teachers put out!! jsut a rant...its actually not that big-o-deal =D

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: Oh, my apologies, force of habit you know

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: [Prowler Wolf]: Why don't you speak up in class? Listen to what your teacher says. If you think she is wrong about something, and you care about it then go do some research after school and call her on it the next day. Don't just sit in class and get pissed, sharpen your mind. School is the place for it.

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: Oh, I always point that crap out to my teachers...if they go on about their liberal views, I ‎interrupt them with a viral-diarrhea of my conservative ones just to piss them off and ‎make a point of saying "god wasn't that annoying how I just forced all MY opinions to ‎center stage in this class? Aren’t I an asshole?" and then the teacher usually shuts up, or ‎sends me to in-school...lol

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: good for you rain

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: lol...thanks...alot of my teachers didn't like me for some reason...*smiles*

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: i know what the reason is...teachers and other people older than us hate to be proven wrong, it proves that we are not the fools they think we are, so they get mad

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: well, I was not proving anyone wrong, I was simply showing them what a hypocrite they ‎are, by saying how "open-minded" they are yet do not let other's speak their mind...I just ‎make them feel like an ass…which is great.‎

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: yes, it is a rather satisfying feeling isnt it?

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: in a democratic state, being a republican can be SO fun...*smiles*

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: lol, i imagine it would

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: heh, yeah [RabidSphinx], some how it isn't hard for me to image you acting like an annoying asshole. ;) but then again, you are a Leo/Tiger, so I think what's going on is that you are fierce like a large cat, not that you are an asshole. (hmm ... I just figured that out, we are both Tigers, you from 1986 and me from 1974, maybe that's the freaky reason why I don't hate you ;)

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: oh i beg to differ, im a scorpio and i find his/her company quite enjoyable

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: i'm not a leo...i'm a ram...>> but i am i tiger...meow...^^ Aries tend to be opinionated from what i hear, submissive, but opinionated...*giggles* i'm only an asshole to people that do not like that i do not agree with them...^^

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: i wouldnt know...i just know im a scorpio, i dont know what they are supposed to be

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: my friend reads my that stuff...i do not really believe in it, but it sure is fun...this week i'm not supposed to spend my money, or listen to my friends if they tell me to spend a bit of money, because it will be a bad idea...>> horoscopes can be fun...lol...glad i'm poor and have no money...^^

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: oops! for some reason I saw you birthdate as 8-4-1986 instead of 4-8-1986. doh! Anyways, being an Aries still makes you a fire sign tho (also like myself ;) the fire signs are Leo, Aries and my sign Sagittarius. So we are both Fire Tigers. :p

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: anyone know anything about scorpios? im a bit curious

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: ahhh! i'm on fire!!!

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: Astrology can be very fun, but I agree with you about horoscopes. How can you boil everything down into a story that will be good advice for one in every tweleve people? When you really get into it, astrology looks at the moment and location you were born, not just the month. Here is a basic version of your chart (with out the correct birth time or location)

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: ooohhh...cool....i'll save that on my floppy and look at it when i get home...the library is closing now...><

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: [Blinded Seraphim]: Scorpio kinda gets a hard time because many people think of it in a negative way. That is BS. Scorpio does tend to be secretive, and at it's worst very emotionally reactive. (think of the scorpion who stings you when it gets hurt) Scorpio is the fixed water sign, which can mean you tend to resist change and like routine, and that you run deep emotionally, meaning that you have very strong feelings about things. That will tend to make you a loyal and passionate lover as well ;)

2006-01-13 [RabidSphinx]: could you tell me about aries? because francly, i sound alot like the scoripo... >>

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: Sure, but I'd like for you to tell me something. I'd like to know where you were born, and at what time of day. Then we can cast a better chart, and maybe we will see something that would tell why you feel scorpioish. (maybe scorpio is your rising sign or something)

2006-01-13 [Blinded Seraphim]: that all sounds about right...do know about the lover thing though given i dont go out

2006-01-13 [zoloftzantac]: I don't think of Aries being submissive, maybe even the oposite. Aries is the Ram, and they are ready to but heads with anyone about anything, anywhere. They are firey which means they can exibit great passion, but tend to be more impulsive then thought full with thier words and actions. Aries always makes me think of the Apollo archetype. (the first born son of Zeus) It makes me think of feeling all of the preassure of your parents expectations very heavily, this is what pushes on to be successful. Aries tends to be a very sexual being who is interested in marrige, but will much more loyal to thier childeren then thier spouce. Areis makes me think of fearlessness focus & irritability

2006-01-14 [RabidSphinx]: sexual? ha! that is the one thing i would dispute about me in regards to that...but otherwise...um, i guess everything else fits...lol...i don't butt heads with everyone...*shifty eyes* i was born, damn, i think 9pm...but i could be wrong, and in Kenmore NY

2006-01-18 [YOU r the result of evolution?..so sad..]: .....go bush!...yay him!

2006-01-18 [Blinded Seraphim]: lol, well put bunny

2006-01-18 [zoloftzantac]: [RabidSphinx]: I haven't been home for a while, I'll take a closer look at your chart soon. You know, being a sexual person does *not* mean that you go around having sex, and one can surely be a proud member of real virgin pride and still be sexualy charged. My guess is, that is the reason why you get involved with real virgin pride and i hate homosexulity it is part of your internal conflict between your disires and your morality.

2006-01-18 [RabidSphinx]: but, to be honest even if it is a little embarrassing, i'm afraid of sex...really...the whole idea scares, disturbs, and disgusts me...>>

2006-01-18 [zoloftzantac]: Really? I don't mean to help embarrass you, say the word and I'll stop posting on these topics in wikis. Do you mean that you are disturbed and disgusted by an idea like making love to some future husband on your honeymoon?

2006-01-18 [RabidSphinx]: *shifts* yeah, a little.... :/

2006-01-18 [Blinded Seraphim]: man im hungry...

2006-01-18 [zoloftzantac]: *sends [RabidSphinx] a private message*

2006-01-19 [Prowler Wolf]: hey, for girls it is intimidating!!! I'm freaked out by it too!!! *shudders* I dunno...I guess it's because I've never really loved a person enough to even so much as touch me! *exception of family of course and close friends* but never a bf, you know!

2006-01-19 [Blinded Seraphim]: i see where your coming from

2006-01-19 [RabidSphinx]: well, coming from a girl like me who hasn't so much as kissed a boy, yeah, sex is a little more than just "intimidating"...

2006-01-19 [Blinded Seraphim]: quite understandable

2006-01-20 [Prowler Wolf]: RainDrop, I'm right there with you, but I've never so much as even had a real boyfriend, unless you count Jessy in the third grade....he DID ask me out, but I rejected him b/c he was a goof off and I didn't like that when i was an 8 year old!! LOL

2006-01-20 [RabidSphinx]: i have yet to meet my bf...>>

2006-01-24 [Grotghash]: Hey Everyone, I new this comment may make me look stupid or something. But I just wanted to say how suprised I am to see supporters of Bush! I can't believe it, its hecka awesome. Out here in California all there is (it seems) are Democratics that depise Bush w/ a passion. Anyway, I just wanted to say Hi and how I'm glad there are Wiki's out there that support Bush. Go Bush!

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: heh, yeah, Go Bush! (go far away from here)

2006-01-24 [Blinded Seraphim]: ty hash, nice to meet you

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: nice to meet someone from another Democratic state support Bush! ^^

2006-01-24 [Blinded Seraphim]: hash, all of here support bush...save for zantac

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: zantac is a poopoo head

2006-01-24 [Blinded Seraphim]: lol, well put

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: haha

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: ummm ... yeah, okay. I doubt everything, I question everyone, and the pres has too much power to not get questioned. So, I'll avoid making a list of what he has screwed up on your wiki right now if you can tell me what he has done right.

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: like i said: poopoo head

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: *sigh*, anyone else? This is your big chance to shut me up ... let's here about WHY you support Bush.

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: 1) because he is our presedent and deserves SOME respect no matter what. and 2) i support him, but not EVERYTHING he does, but i support is going to iraq and such

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: respect is not support, I give him the minimum amount of respect that I give all people, but I give him no support.

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: i support him in some thing, why do you not support him in any one thing?

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: I believe in the world government called the U.N., I beleive that by violating U.N. orders and invading Iraq that he broke international law, and is guilty of crimes against humanity. I would have him sit in prison right next to Saddam. It doesn't matter if you think Iraq should have been invaded or not, laws exist for a reason, when you break them you need to answer for that.

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: the UN are a bunch of pasny ass fuck-heads who couldn't talk their way out of a paperbag. with that said, we went in to capture Saddam and save his people from the opprssion they were living under while the UN sat by and refused to do anything. We went in and did what we set out to do.

2006-01-24 [zoloftzantac]: Ever hear of a lynch mob? That is what Bush was leading, he acts like some hair trigger cowboy wannabe, not a diplomat, besides almost everything in Iraq is worse now than it was before.

2006-01-24 [RabidSphinx]: things are better actually, thousands of people are not being gassed by their leader...and things will be rough for a while, that is why we are still there, but things will get better. are you saying, just because things are hard, and it sometimes gets worse before it can get better, we should never help people in need? let people like Hitler take over because we did nothing to stop HIm like we could have?

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Zoloftzantac, we went into the war because of the threats that Saddam and the other terrorists (crap accidently posted that much,anyway). Even Clinton during his term sent people to attack Osama and those people. People forget that if we do not attack the threat at their home, they will come to us. Sure there is no way to really know if this will happen....But think about, our enemies are enslaving there own people, and want to come to ours. Another reason is that now that we are there. We are helping the Israels, and such to build a sturdy military/defense to defend themselves from their enemies as well. Plus it is NOT us who are killing their innocent people, it is them.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Continued... I also hope you know that there used to not be working sewers there or free running water...Now there is... Now there is education, more safety, and more freedom (not completely). We have done more than what people think we have. Now back to your main point...We went to Iraq without the UN's consent. Sure you may think that its like he is breaking a law. But its what is right. For example if you see that something is terribly wrong but is made a rule. I hope you wouldn't be a robot and follow it if it is against moral values. He is doing what he thinks is right.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Now then, I never actually explained WHY I support Bush, which was your first question. I support him because he is our President. And every President deserves respect. And I believe that what he is doing is right, as explained above. It is good that we took action and didn't stand around and wait for another 9/11. They killed 5,000 innocent and unarmed people. Also, after watching those executions and captures on the news I strongly support this Iraqi Freedom mission. (You've watched the executions of people who thought they are harmless and we shouldn't be over there right? Its horrible...And yet people don't care or forget.) Our President has demonstrated great leadership given...

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: .. the materials and the situation that he started with. Anymore questions?

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: [RabidSphinx]: Saddam's military was was crippled by years of attacks and regulation, he had nothing, the the U.N did eventually prove this. I can tell you don't respect the world government, but the U.S is a part of it and should have honnored that. (Just like we expected Saddam to do) Do you have any idea how many innocent Iraqi civilians have died since this started. Even the most low end estimates are over 28,000! Those are the innocent people that have died because of what has erupted since the U.S. went in. At what point does the "Sadam did worse" excuse fall apart?

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: [Grotghash]: What war are you talking about? There were no terrorists in Iraq with Saddam, he kept them out. Osama is a militant leader with out a country, he is a terrorist and we should have gone after him long before 9/11. About the Israels, the U.S. has been helping them as long as there has been an Israel, that news is over half a centruy old. "Plus it is NOT us who are killing their innocent people, it is them. This is not completely accurate. Iraq is out of control because we are there, the 28,000+ innocents that have died would still be alive if we had listened to the U.N. and Saddam would still be in power because he didn't accually have anything he wasn't supposed to.

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: continued: Most of the 28,000 dead were killed by U.S. gun fire and suicided bomber who were tring to disrupt the American occupation of Iraq. Have you read about how the depleted uranium bullets we use there have let radioactive dust seem into the ground water and the rate of birth defects and infant death is quickly rising?, "there used to not be working sewers there or free running water...Now there is..." Where do you get this information? http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0123-02.htm Most Iraqis still don't have clean water or electricity, and they are paying over 3 times for oil then they did under Saddam. (and it come right out of the ground there)

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: continued: "Now there is education" What are you talking about? Saddam's Iraq had one of the lowest illiteracy rates in the world (way better than the U.S.) his government provided universal health care and educaion (including college) for all.

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: continued: "more safety" Bush himself said it was at least 30,000 innocent iraqis killed since the invasion in his Dec 12th speech. Saddam killed about 1 million over 24 years, after his removal 30,000+ have died in 32 months. Okay so before = 3,472 innocents killed per month and after = 3,125 innocents killed a month. Is this the safety you are boasting about? 11% safer? Good job Bush, you are only 89% as bad as Saddam! Way to go.

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: continued: "He is doing what he thinks is right." This is not an argument, everyone is doing what they think is right, [RabidSphinx] brought of Hitler earlier. I'm sure he *thought* he was doing what was right, who elfing cares tho.

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: continued: "every President deserves respect." No more so than every other human being on this earth. That is all he diserves, everything else he needs to earn. Of course these kiddnaping are horribale, but why are these people over there in the first place? If they got the funk out they couldn't be kiddnaped! Most Iraqis do not want us there. 9/11 was also horrible, but we are not protecting ourselfes from 9/11 part 2 by being in Iraq. Global terrorist activity has increased since the invasion. Many Iraqis have no clean water, no electricity and no work, people in that position become desperate and have nothing to loose, then piss them off, once angry many become terrorists.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Yes, there are terrorists in Iraq. havent you ever watched the news showing these things? There are still so many bombing,ect in Israel due to Terrorists. Saddam did not keep them out, he encouraged it . Remember that there are two types of muslims (which i seriously cannot remember at the moment, you know what I'm talking about right?). Yes we have been helping the Isaels but not militarly. Watching the news is another case of how they kill their own people... but I want to know the source in which you got this 28,000 innocents would have been spared them. I believe that after this war is over, the dieing will decrease dramtically. we must think of the end result, and how it helps others.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: continued... now about the sewers and water thing. I got this source of Heraldo Rivera on FoxNews for a Iran special...I believe Sunday night. They interviewed people from Iraq in towns where they had none of that stuff...OF course most dont have that yet because they just started the project. But sanitary conditions are improving.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Yup you are Right! Iraq does have one of the lowest literacy rates. But that is why schools are becoming established (mainly for the women there). I did NOT say that they are NOW very education, for they will be in later years (lol if we continue)...

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: **cough**....**cough***cough* By safety I meant the Israels from the Iraqs. This is because there are so many terrorist attacks still comencing there. Therefore, since we are there traiing their military, they will be safer because they are more educated in the art of war. **coughs more** Now the doing whats right thing is his morals. if you thought it was not "right" you wouldn't do it either, yes? Peer pressure only controls the weak

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: It is fallacy to say that the end result is so important that it doesn't matter how you get there. As for the number 30,000 look around http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051212-4.html or even this http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: "most Iraqs did not want us there" Give me source. Whoa whoa... now the "every President deserves respect" thing is MY(MY, must I repeat) moral and personal values. Don't mess with it. But, yes I do believe that every human should have respect. But do the terrorists think that? No, they do not, they care nothing. Then, how do you suggest we defend ourselves from "9/11 Part2" if we do withdraw? What....negociate? Isnt that what some "peacemakers" did in Iraq and got slaughtered (O great I hope you know what i am talking about) did? I don't think killers want to talk with us. you ask, why are the kidnappings victims go there? to negociate and talk with them of course, dieing the process

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: Are you reading what I say, are you in touch with reality? Iraq has one of the lowest ILLITERACY rates. Almost *everyone there could read* even under Saddam, he did a great job of providing free education and college to all Iraqis, if you won't admit that we are done talking because you don't know what you are talking about.

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: Ok, now I'm not going to use pure logic and tell you MY point of view, ok? Me, I think that the end result is what matters. Military who die serving their country die doing their duty. 2nd, (now i know you will FLAME me for this...but)the # of dead does not matter if satisfied end result is achieved. 3rd, dictators such as Saddam, ect, =no toleration. If it were me, I would do things differently in Iraq. To more extremes than our Commander-in-Chief is doing now. if you think I am cold or imoral, or whatever, deal with it. ---__---

2006-01-25 [Grotghash]: whoa, don't say I dont know what I am talking about(just because I am rash about politics does not mean I have no idea what I am saying. and just because I despise politics doesn't mean I have no way of knowing what I am saying....anyway). Iraq has a literacy rate of 58%. now then, this does NOT include females. There was NOT free education and college to ALL Iraqs. Where in Heaven's name do you get that!? (btw, Literacy rate for young men has raised by 20% over the last decades)

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: hmmm ... after futher research I see I was wrong about illiteracy in iraq, it was one of the best in the world, even winning awards, but that was back in 1982, Saddam doesn't get credit for that, and it seems things got worse when he was in power (sorry about that, I guess I don't know as much as I thought :p)

2006-01-25 [zoloftzantac]: The fact is, with out clean water, fuel, safetly or jobs most iraqis are just as screwed as they ever were. Also, Saddam was "in trouble" because he didn't listen to the U.N. (and the U.N. inspectors) so how can the U.S. not listn to the U.N. and then not answer for that?

2006-01-26 [Grotghash]: Thats ok about the literacy thing. We all make mistakes. =) I don't know the full intentions of our goverment so I cannot answer your question. No one knows... Well, I would have to say that even though you disagree w/ our President at least you don't flame him and you put up a very reasonable arguement (unlike others I talked to). Goverment is a very complicated issue yes?

2006-01-26 [zoloftzantac]: It is very complicated, I'm sorry I accused you of not listening before. I was wrong. As far as flaming goes, I falme him all day long in other circles, but I am trying to respect your space here. Make no mistake, I'm not a Democrat at all, I'm so far to the left that they don't even call me a liberal anymore, they call me a radical :) (so yes, I flamed Kerry too)

2006-01-28 [Grotghash]: Thats ok, apology accepted and all. Wow, you must be a really critical person to flame both sides (lol). XD A radical hm?...never actually met one

2006-01-28 [zoloftzantac]: It just means that I think everything needs to change a lot, so any main streamy plan these days is gonna fall way short of doing enough in my opinion.

2006-01-28 [Grotghash]: Hm, well I suppose you are entitled to your own opinion. Nice to Talking with You

2006-02-02 [Soulforce Revolution]: wait... can anyone tell me things that mr. bush has done that havent been neccessarily bad? cause i know people who hate bush capitolize on what he has messed up and done bad but whats the redeeming fact that the more optimistic people who support him?

2006-02-13 [Grotghash]: I'm not totally sure what you mean. But remember, that bad and even good are point of views. And differ from person to person. Therefore, what is bad to one cannot be fully discussed and understood by another. So I do not think I will try to explain if you want to know in those circumstances.

2006-02-14 [Soulforce Revolution]: ...i dont even see hows it a point of view thing here at all cause what has been done bad is bad...but with me its not so much bush that i disagree with its pretty much the part of the goverment that interferes with other countries

2006-02-16 [Grotghash]: I see, I do agree with you in the point that I do believe that we should not interfere with other countries. Frankly, if a country has a different goverment or whatever it should stay that way. I mean, we are all going to end up the same and everything at this rate. >__< Btw, Bad..good. cool..stupid... those are ALL point of views. The perception of those notions are perceived differently from person to person...

2006-03-25 [Zoinks!]:

Bush is a fucking ReTarD..he brings nothing but hatred and depression to this world. he's a jerk.! :O

2006-03-25 [Box]: Then why ya here dude...

2006-03-25 [Goodbye Fuckers!]: Seriously..if you dont like him, stay out of here..

2006-03-25 [Fre$h to Death]: i agree with hardcore bush is a fucking monkey

2006-03-25 [RabidSphinx]: then go away and join one of the anti-bush wikis...stop trying to creat conflict and bitch about bush "creating conflict" you hypocritical assholes.

2006-03-25 [Blinded Seraphim]: here here!

2006-04-09 [Account_Deleted]: Bush is pretty much my hero.

2006-04-10 [Box]: ^.^ same here

2006-04-10 [Blinded Seraphim]: bush is just a man trying to do a job, nobody can do their job perfect but hes at least trying

2006-04-10 [Box]: Yes, I agree.sometimes he gets confused with big words!

2006-04-10 [Blinded Seraphim]: not like that prick clinton :P

2006-04-10 [RabidSphinx]: Anyone else here agree with me that we should just kill all 11 million illegal Mexicans ‎that live in the US? it wouldn't "fix the problem" of them coming over here, but it sure as ‎hell would discourage them, and all we need is a wall like they had in Berlin. There was a ‎wall with a mote on the other side, imbedded at the bottom of the mote were long pikes. ‎When people climbed the wall and jumped into the water on the other side, they impaled ‎themselves.....perfect deterrent if you ask me...‎

2006-04-10 [Tyrant Calhoun]: Ehhh.....Nah...No I don't think that would solve the problem. It would create huge conflicts with the American and Mexican trade..We don't need more conflicts between Countries that we are codependant with... Funny idea though..

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: or we could get border guards that actually work instead of sitting on there fat asses eating donuts

2006-04-11 [Tyrant Calhoun]: Weell..Assuming they do work hard, there is so much border to watch that it's so hard to take care of the illegal immigrant problem..I've heard that more gaurds are going to be hired, and there will be more fences put up..Im not sure on that though.

2006-04-11 [Box]: Well their going threw the fences.I think they should check up and repair more of the fences More often.

2006-04-11 [Account_Deleted]: The Great Wall of America! Wewt! Sounds like fun. lol. j/k.

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: yea, but what yopu hear and what is actually done can be quite a different subject al

2006-04-11 [Tyrant Calhoun]: Heh...I don't believe it would be that hard to put up alot of new gaurds n stuff. What it would be is eeexpensive! and it still wouldn't solve the problem completely.

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: nothing is going to solve it, especially since the ILLEGAL immigrants are seeking equal rights

2006-04-11 [Box]: They can be Equal if they just dont Illealy cross the border

2006-04-11 [Tyrant Calhoun]: ....That is prettty sketchy..I don't see why they feel they need rights, when they should be begging just for us to let them stay..I mean, I wouldn't be tryin' to tick the government off at me..I would be kissin' a.

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: its all because people dont want to think, if it werent for the stupid people that currently inhabit this country, we wouldnt need to put that label on mcdonalds coffee telling people that its going to be hot

2006-04-11 [Box]: Your right, I just think their all idiots

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: its the god honest truth, people are coddled. if they dont want to do something for themselves, they whine that the government doesnt do it for them

2006-04-11 [Box]: They just want attion

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: ppl are simply, and completely, lazy! we were better off in the times when everyone had to sweat and work for what little they had, then at least people appreciated how good they had it

2006-04-11 [Box]: Yah, Were they dont mouch off other people I bet some of thoose people had never had a day of hard work in their lifes!Their like hobos!!

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: it used to be that those who worked hard got ahead, ,now its just the people who are the laziest, stupist assholes that they could find

2006-04-11 [Account_Deleted]: *whines* Why doesn't the government come to my house and do my dishes. hehehe.

2006-04-11 [Box]: That would be nice but a little scary just think

2006-04-11 [Blinded Seraphim]: i wouldnt be 1 bit suprised if someone doesnt try that

2006-04-11 [Tyrant Calhoun]: Yea....I don't think I'd want them at my house..

2006-04-11 [Box]: In there creepy uniforms!

2006-04-11 [RabidSphinx]: they have no rights, they are not americans...their lives are worthless, so kill the ones that ARE here, and then pump up security...

2006-04-11 [Box]: Why dont they just stay in mexico lifes not any better here sides for free rights?

2006-04-12 [Account_Deleted]: I think illegal immigrants should be considered terrorists and should be hunted down and shot. An illegal got into an accident with my mom. They didn't deport the girl like they should have. =(

2006-04-12 [Box]: o.o

2006-04-12 [Blinded Seraphim]: i had a teacher who wass hit by one and you know what? he got off scott free because he had no id on him at all

2006-04-12 [Account_Deleted]: gah! Just shoot him! lol.

2006-04-12 [Box]: lol,Then you be arested for murder or attemted murder if he didnt die

2006-04-12 [RabidSphinx]: that's horrible [Account_Deleted] i'm sorry.

2006-04-12 [Account_Deleted]: Hehehe, I know. I'm mean. Oh well. Hrm...I really think we do need to increase border security tho. If they want to come here, why not just do it leagally??

2006-04-12 [RabidSphinx]: because most would be turned away because they are not capable of working, are not healthy, do not have the money to do it, and are often infested with disease and paricites....my father worked border for a while...

2006-04-12 [Account_Deleted]: EEWWWWWWYYYYY!!!!